Doctor Who Season Four Episode Six

[exhilaration]

"The Doctor's Daughter," eh?

So I saw a picture of the nice young lady (who is actually the actor who plays Five's daughter in real life) and woudln't you know, she is blonde and vaguely resembling Rose?

Outside of the fanfiction realm, I really don't believe that Rose and the Doctor had any kind of romantic or sexual relationship. I just assumed that even off-screen, it was canonically platonic. And I liked that.

But recent thought has caused me to interpret the "Doomsday" conversation a bit differently - Rose mentions the baby, the Doctor says "you're not...?" I always assumed he meant "OMG Ricky the Idiot did not impregnate you already did he?" but... is it actually possible that he thought she could have been pregnant with his child? Cause you could see the scene that way, maybe, I suppose...

Is it actually possible that Rose and the Doctor did have a sexual relationship? Or maybe just one encounter? I guess it hasn't been proved that they definitely didn't, but I always just assumed that that stuff belonged in fanfiction and not in the actual series itself.

But. Assuming that that was what happened... an alien can impregnate a human? Really? Even in science fiction, really? I guess Gallifreyans must have very similar DNA to humans, I mean, outwardly we look the same, right? But how likely even is that, that there are aliens out there that look human? (I think this was addressed once in Star Trek TNG if I'm not mistaken... whatever, I don't buy that explanation, if there are aliens out there in real life I don't believe for a second that they're humanoid, but in the Doctor Who universe, some aliens are and some are not, so, moving on...) And even if their DNA is similar, I mean, how similar can it actually be? Isn't human DNA 99.997% the same as ape DNA, or something like that? And humans can't reproduce with any other species here on our own planet, even the ones with which we share the most DNA. So there's an alien out there that's genetically compatible with us, eh?

But I figure TIme Lords are special - they regenerate, so maybe they can manipulate their DNA. Yeah, they probably can do that. And that would be a way to get a human pregnant - deliberately. SO THE DOCTOR DELIBERATELY GOT ROSE PREGNANT? I don't buy that either. That's just too far out there. That can't be what's going on.

So maybe the daughter is from a future union with Rose (she looks like Rose a little, and there is all this focus on her coming back this season, that's why I'm assuming Rose is the mother. But I guess anything is possible. I mean, maybe Joan Redfern is her Mama and she's been time traveling all the while looking for her alien father... or maybe not.) as in, the Doctor reunites with Rose and they settle down and have a kid and Rose gets old and dies and the Doctor returns to adventuring as if he never left it, and this is just something that we know happens but we don't get to see happen, except that we see the Doctor's daughter... from the future... or the past, or our future but his past, or...

But. You see, I was thinking about it some more, and I came up with something even worse and more twisted. The Doctor does not actually have a daughter. Or, the "Doctor's Daughter" is not the Doctor's daughter, she's just the daughter of some other alien doctor. How dirty would that be of the PTB?

And by the way. They turned the dude into an Ood? Wtf was up with that? Who does that?

Comments

[haro.livejournal.com]

I can't find the exact quote but I'm pretty sure RTD said that the reason the Doctor acted the way he did in "Fear Her" was because he was thinking about initiating a physical relationship with Rose, which would support that interpretation of the scene in "Doomsday."

As for the Doctor and Rose having sex. A part of me thinks it happened and a part of me doesn't. The part of me that does is because of that scene. The Doctor's expression when she says that is just so "ohshit." But I still struggle with the idea (even though I believe their connection romantic and think that if they were not separated, they would have, in time, delved into a sexual relationship).


But. Assuming that that was what happened... an alien can impregnate a human? Really?

Although it's never touched on again, in the 1996 "Doctor Who" movie, the Doctor reveals that he is half human. A lot of people debate the canonicity of this (myself included actually- I'm not sure I really buy it, although it does cause some aspects to make more sense), but it does show that a Time Lord might be able to impregnate a human (or vice versa).

Additionally, there's the issue of humans "mingling" which is brought up more than once in the series through Cassandra and in "Gridlock." Cassandra is the last pure human, because the others have reproduced with other species making the humans we see... part something else. I mean in "Gridlock" we see a human and a cat with babies. XD

That being said, I think "The Doctor's Daughter" is going to be a girl created from some DNA someone has snatched up from him. I don't think it's going to be the result of intercourse.

[lara-everlong.livejournal.com]

they may have had a sexual relationship. to me it's possible in my interpretation of the characters, it's just that I have a very hard time believing that something like that belongs in the actual show - I mean, it's supposed to be this goofy low budget sci fi show, not "omg I'm in love with an alien," but... well, what can I say. I love the new series and I think it's fabulous. I guess I can't knock whatever changes the writers want to make from the original show.

As for the tv movie, I only saw it one time, and that would be the time it showed on tv first, and I thought that little revalation was totally bizarre. It almost seemed like he was making it up, cause he was kinda weird and disorganized from having just regenerated (and besides doesn't the Doctor need to be in or near the TARDIS to regenerate anyway? So I have trouble accepting anything the movie says...) But then again, the Doctor doesn't usually tell flat out lies about himself. At least not that I can recall.

I always assumed that the humans that mingled were advanced 40th century humans, not us primitive 21st century beasts. In the future I think humans alter their own genetics and do weird science-y stuff in labs so that they can produce offspring with their alien partners. I have no idea where I go that idea, though, certainly not from anything canon. But yes, when a human and an anthropomorphic cat have offspring, they get... kittens :P

But that's not something I thought of, "The Doctor's Daughter" being someone else's creation from his DNA. Hm. That's not a terrible idea...

[haro.livejournal.com]

Well I think a romantic connection between Rose and the Doctor is still very much in the realms of family friendly. I agree that implicit sexual intercourse would be far less so (even David Tennant refers to them as "a love story without the shagging.") That's why I think RTD left that scene so "think what you want." To be fair I didn't think of the sexual implication until I got on the internet though.


The TV movie isn't exactly fine entertainment, I have to admit. I have issues with the half human revelation myself so I'm not necessarily supporting it, just using it as evidence to the idea that humans and time lords could possibly reproduce.


I always assumed that the humans that mingled were advanced 40th century humans

Haha year five billion humans! I actually think it's an evolved ability, not something done in the lab (although it may have started that way). If humans are dying out and the only way to continue the species is to evolve in a manner that allows them to reproduce with totally wtf things like cats, nature takes care of it.

If we think of Time Lords as super evolved humans (I know they're not but...), then it would make sense that they could procreate with... just about anything.

[honorh.livejournal.com]

The "You're not" expression can be interpreted any number of ways:

--trying to hide dismay that perhaps Rose is knocked up by someone else
--pleased at the thought of Rose having anybody's baby because he thinks she'll be a great mum, and perhaps it'll help heal her heartbreak
--longing to see their baby

It's a very ambiguous expression. You can argue it any which way. If they ever were intimate, I'm sure it crossed his mind that it could be his.

[lara-everlong.livejournal.com]

I always thought it was number one. Number three I thought only existed in fanfic.

The world may never know.

[haro.livejournal.com]

I think it's intentionally ambiguous. RTD is like that. *laugh*

[pinesandmaples]

But. Assuming that that was what happened... an alien can impregnate a human? Really? Even in science fiction, really?

Yes. The first Doctor made babies with a human. Susan, the first companion, was his granddaughter.

And that isn't fannon, it's cannon.

[lara-everlong.livejournal.com]

well, I know the first doctor made babies, since he had a granddaughter, and I know if you count the TV movie as cannon that the Doctor himself is half human, or so he said, but I dunno about it being cannon that he made babies with a human too. but I haven't seen every single classic ep out there, so I could be wrong.

[tenfeethigh.livejournal.com]

That would be the coolest thing ever. Her being Rose's daugter, that is. But it's not something I'm expecting to see onscreen. That's why I'm addicted to fanfiction.

[lara-everlong.livejournal.com]

I totally never expect to see it on screen either. that's why the title shocked me so much, because I could think of nothing but that!